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  • Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

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    • And yes the ages are central to the storyline. One big obstacle throughout Tris and Tobias' relationship is the fact that there are times that Tobias talks down to her, like she is a child. Now, in comparison to him, they are making her a child! 

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    • Eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwww. That's all I can say.

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote:
      Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 


      eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwww is all i can say

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    • In the book I was like whatever but if in the movie he is 24 I'm going to A) Throw up B) Kill the director for doing that and C) Talk to Veronica Roth and ask if she is okay.

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    • That is just really gross ogm

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    • guys hes 28 or something and shes like 22 not the bad

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    • No, Tobias is only 18 and Tris is 16 not that big of a diff

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    • Rueprim1212 wrote:
      No, Tobias is only 18 and Tris is 16 not that big of a diff

      I think there talking about in the movie

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    • I can't see how Four is only 18. He's an instructor. You don't make a grunt fresh out of training an instructor, he has to have experience and 2 short years are nothing. He talks all the time about how things "used to be" and sounds like he lived the change himself. Seeing as he's not Dauntless born, then he must have seen some change since he has arrived. It makes no sense for him to be only 18 and certainly no sense that he's dated an initiate he instructed. 

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    • Eric became a leader only a year after he became dauntless himself. They do mention several times that to them age doesn't matter. Despite him not have been there long he is a pretty good teacher. Also, If you think about it, the three book spanned what less than a year, so when he thinks of how things used to be he can go on all he has seen and heard since he got there which could actually be a lot. And dude about the initiate, instructor romance thing it is not that uncommon, especially when they are close in age like that, and its not like he helped her cheat or anything.

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    • ^ That's right. You have to get started early in Dauntless if you want to get anywhere. Tobias fought hard to get so far ahead in Dauntless. But Tobias was NEVER happy in Dauntless, and was planning to leave and join the Factionless before Beatrice arrived. After meeting Beatrice, Tobias decided to stay for a while. BUT, Tobias was only eighteen when he began his relationship with sixteen year old Beatrice. There wasn't that much of an age difference. But you have to start working your way forward in Dauntless almost immediately because they expel members who are old...or wind up with some type of disability. But it would be sensible for Tobias to LOOK older than what he is. Tobias had a really harsh childgood...then he probably ended up fighting like hell to get to his placement in Dauntless. This isn't something easy...and it probably ages you. I remember seeing pictures of President Carter who only served one term as president. He looked SO young in the pictures when he first was elected president. When he finished only one term...Carter looked so old and broken. The presidency had aged him well beyond his years. Stress will do that to you.

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    • The wiki says Tobias is 18. He may behave like a 24 year old, but all that means is that living in a hellhole made him grow up quickly.

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    • They shouldn't have changed his age. However Theo James does look like he is in his early-twenties, but they should have not done that. They could have changed his age to 20, but that would be enough. 24 is ridiculous, especially if you are going to date a 16-year old girl from Abnegation.

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    • What will they change about allegent. Four dies instead of Tris I can see it

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    • Did they explicitly state that Tobias would be 26 in the movie? Because in the book he is clearly eighteen. In the book, he behaves more maturely than an 18 year old, but that is because he had to grow up quickly between an abusive father and living in Dauntless.

      Also, I am tired of people saying "love is love". Statutory Rape is not love, neither is pedophilia. Peverted obsession maybe, but not love. If the movie really made him 26, then he would have already been ten years old when Tris was born. There is a reason that is disturbing to most well rounded people.

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    • I just checked his bio. Tobias is 18 in the books...but his age has been changed in the movie version to 24. I agree with the poster that said this was a huge mistake. Beatrice and Tobias are closer in age...and they actually knew each other when they were in Abnegation. By making Tobias so much older...it changes the meaning of so much of the story. But...that's what the producers felt was right.

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    • All I can say is that changing Tobias's age is just sick. I romantic realationship cant form between a 24 and a 16 year old its just wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

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    • I agree with wiki contributed number 142.197.126.146, the age change turned Tobias into a statutory rapist. The worst part is that the director just threw this in.

      This next part of this reply is where the spoilers come.

      Since it is revealed the city they live in is Chicago (which is in Illinois), the age of consent there is 17. I'm probably not going to watch the movie just because of the age change.

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    • Okay, so in the movie Shailene Woodley is 22 Theo James *sigh* is 29. You can't possibly be fussing over that age difference. But I have to agree, a 24 year old should NEVER date a 16 year old. And Tris and Four "Tobias" have an even smaller age gap of only 2 years. All and all, the age difference in the first and the last are appropriate, while the second one is unacceptable.

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    • It is still bad, but guys in an interview on set with Shai she was talking about Tris and she was like "Tris is just a normal 18 year old" so either she got it wrong or she is eighteen in the movie. 

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    • If Tris is 18 in the movie, they either messed [edited] it up really bad or they didn't care who they had to make mad to have this movie made.

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    • The age changes are just lazy writing.

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    • DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

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    • Doesn't it bother you that the age increase turned Tobias into a leering pedophile?

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    • NO at least he's still HOT as Hell.

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    • Especially if his age is noted in the movie

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    • I'm seeing a lot of these taboo older/younger relationships a lot now in media. Anyone ever heard of Pretty Little Liars? It's a show on ABC Famly and it has one of the main characters who is 16/17 having a relationship with her high school english teacher who is around 24/25. I think it's more about these characters being morementally mature, so the relationships don't seem that off.

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    • That doesn't make it right.

      Especially when the younger one is below the age of consent. A mentally stable adult would never date a child, no matter how mature. The age increase in the Divergent movie turned Tobias into a pedophile, and according to Illinois law he would be sent to prison (age of consent in Illinois is 17, Tris is 16).

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    • age dose not matter love dose i am 12 and my boy freind is 18 

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote:
      DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

      lol exactley

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    • A twelve year old dating an eighteen year old is not love. It is perversion and statutory rape. The person who said it is love should really ask his or her parents or local police officer if they think it is love.

      A sixteen and a twenty six year old is also perversion/statutory rape. If it happened in real life, than the movie Tobias would have been sent to prison/lynched by angry mobs. The age lift in the movie turned him into a creepy pedophile.

      Why couldn't the movie just say he was 18 or 19?

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    • The book says you have your test done at sixteen so it isn't possible for Beatrice to be eighteen, same thing for Tobias, he can't be twenty-four.

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    • The age diff doesn't really bother me in the book or in the movie. I've seen bigger age diff in real life that were really EW. It's the love that matters for Tris and Four.

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    • Timjames98 wrote:
      A twelve year old dating an eighteen year old is not love. It is perversion and statutory rape. The person who said it is love should really ask his or her parents or local police officer if they think it is love.

      A sixteen and a twenty six year old is also perversion/statutory rape. If it happened in real life, than the movie Tobias would have been sent to prison/lynched by angry mobs. The age lift in the movie turned him into a creepy pedophile.

      Why couldn't the movie just say he was 18 or 19?

      daiell is not  pedifile you probbly are though

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    • danielul

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    • I am not, and I do not appreciate being insulted by Wikia contributor #32. Most times insults are used by people who are unable to develop a rational and reasoned rebuttal.

      Age of consent laws exist for a reason. A full grown adult should not be in a sexual relationship with a minor. In the book, the age difference is two years; completely okey. In the movie, Tobias is a full decade older than Tris. If a 10 year old should not be allowed to date a newborn, than a 26 year old should not be allowed to date a 16 year old.

      Apart from that, the age of consent in Illinois (and reform Chicago) is 17, meaning that Tris is still underage. Statutory rape is, by definition, when an adult sleeps with someone below the age of consent.

      Obsession/perversion is not the same thing as love. The law agrees with me on this one.

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    • In my post above I said reform, but I meant to say "therefore".

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    • ^ Then hit the edit button and make your correction in your post. You don't need to post again correcting your mistakes.

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    • I didn't know I could do that. Thanks for the heads up.

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    • Honestly, their love was so strong that age was nothing. 

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    • In the book it was love because Tobias was only two years older than Tris.

      A 26 year old dating a 16 year old is not love. At most, it is an obsession.

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    • I don't get that

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote:
      DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

      That is my problem with this. I got too distracted by this relationship beacuse I have seen a similar one in real life that is not ending up well for anyone. This is targeted (it seems) at young adults and it is a poor message to say that this is the relationship that they need to strive toward. I am more bothered by the instructor/student dynamic than the age difference personally, but he is definately an authority figure in life of this child and I couldn't get into the movie because of that.

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    • i think that it doesnt really matter because it's not like they will say how old he is in the movie, right? RIGHT?????

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    • 204.122.111.254 wrote:
      i think that it doesnt really matter because it's not like they will say how old he is in the movie, right? RIGHT?????

      i agree with this person

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    • JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote:
      NO at least he's still HOT as Hell.

      I personally would have gone with "Hot as Hades" but your call

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    • It is simply unhealthy for a 16 year old date someone who is ten years older than them. Apart from the fact that it is an unequal relationship (guess who has more power over the other?), it just makes Tobias an unsympathetic character (the movie version, the book version of Tobias is only 18 years old). The age change made him into a leering pervert who really should not be allowed near children or minors. Imagine if a high-school student was caught sleeping with her teacher; none of the police officers would say "love is love". Certainly none of the police officers would hesitate to arrest the teacher and lock him up.

      The age change bothers me.

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    • Based on statements by the leading actors, I believe Tris is supposed to be 18 in the movie, and Four 24. That is only a six year difference, so no harm done in my book. Besides, mental maturity is more what matters, especially if Tris is considered to be already 18 in the movie.

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    • Based on statements by the leading actors, I believe Tris is supposed to be 18 in the movie, and Four 24. That is only a six year difference, so no harm done in my book. Because Tris is considered to be 18 in the movie, mental maturity is what matters more.

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    • From what I understand, the movie has altered it so that citizens take the aptitude test at 18 instead of 16, which honestly makes more sense to me. Something as important as deciding a faction to reside in for the rest of your life should be done at the American's average age of legal consent, rather than at 16.

      And Tris is far more mature than 18 in my opinion.

      Also one of the issues that was most detrimental to their relationship was that Tobias always thought of Tris as a child, even though she was right literally 100% of the time. 

      Having Tris be 18 and Tobias be 24 will only exemplify this issue, for there really is nothing more annoying than being a legal adult and having people treat you like a child. The 6 year age difference only brings prominence to the biggest strain in their relationship, which is why I feel Veronica Roth would have been completely okay with this age change. Because it's hypocritical for Tobias to think of Tris as a child when he's barely escaped adolescence himself.

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    • The Age of Consent in the Chicago of present day doesn't matter because the books are set in a future dystopian Chicago where you are legally an adult at the age of 16, which is when you choose the faction you will live in for the rest of your life, perhaps having to abandon your family in the process, a decision only mature adults should make. If you can make such a major decision at age 16 in the books, a relationship is an easier decision to make by those standards, so whether Tobias is 18 or 24, Tris is legally an adult in both the movie and the book because she is making a choice that will affect the rest of her life (e.g. choosing her faction, living independently from her parents and becoming her own guardian) and therefore can make her own choices about who she wants to be with. As they are both legally adults in the world of Divergent after the age of 16, what is the problem?

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    • Timjames98 wrote:
      I am not, and I do not appreciate being insulted by Wikia contributor #32. Most times insults are used by people who are unable to develop a rational and reasoned rebuttal.

      Age of consent laws exist for a reason. A full grown adult should not be in a sexual relationship with a minor. In the book, the age difference is two years; completely okey. In the movie, Tobias is a full decade older than Tris. If a 10 year old should not be allowed to date a newborn, than a 26 year old should not be allowed to date a 16 year old.

      Apart from that, the age of consent in Illinois (and reform Chicago) is 17, meaning that Tris is still underage. Statutory rape is, by definition, when an adult sleeps with someone below the age of consent.

      Obsession/perversion is not the same thing as love. The law agrees with me on this one.

      it is not that kind of relation ship i love him and he loves me

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    • ^ I looked but didn't see the user, so I don't know what they said. But I agree with a few of the posters above. Going by the 'book', Beatrice is considered of legal age and an adult - that's why she goes to the choosing ceremony when she was sixteen. So, Beatrice and Tobias are both considered adults. Whether or not they consummated their relationship is debatable. The book never clearly states whether they consummated their relationship or not. I think it's up to the reader to decide. I, personally, am not absolutely sure that they did. But, if so, they were considered to be adults during their time of existence. The movie version ages the couple so that they are of legal age by 'our' standards. So far in the movie, the couple hasn't consummated anything. But the characters are so young in the books is because it's considered "Young Adult." Young adults don't really want to read books about older people in their twenties. They want to read about people around the same age as they are. You can't blame them for that. And there's nothing really nasty or smutty in the novels in my opinion.

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote:
      Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      Ewwwwwwww ohmygosh

      If you kinda think about it, they pretty much ruined the whole set up, if he actually IS 24 in the movie

      In the BOOK, they were only two years apart--which caused suspicion in itself (Caleb/Tris/other initates). But you can kinda get past that. 16 & 18, just random teen/adult, kiddish love. As shown in the book, neither one of them were too high in knowledge about romance--it was new for both of them. (Its in Divergent) So kinda skittish but growing on their path. More romantic if you think about it.

      If he's TWENTY-FOUR and she's sixteen, that's a whole different story. And not to menton GROSS. Plus she JUST got out of Abnegation, so still has the mind-set of a child, and he'd be like, a FULL GROWN OLD ADULT EW GROSS. Plus, that wouldn't be a good rolemodel. Some 14 yr old girl watching this, in love with a 22 year old--thinking its okay when she turns 16--ugh. But even if its not a rolemodel, that makes entirely no sense.

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    • Guys you are all just over reacting... Tobias is hot and it doesnt really matter that he is 24 and Tris is 16.. Yes I know that an 8-year difference is gross.. 

      In the end it is just a movie.. They made this movie in order to satisfy us after reading the books, not to make us complain on every fault they did!! Just enjoy it.. 

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    • 77.42.148.142 wrote:
      Guys you are all just over reacting... Tobias is hot and it doesnt really matter that he is 24 and Tris is 16.. Yes I know that an 8-year difference is gross.. 

      In the end it is just a movie.. They made this movie in order to satisfy us after reading the books, not to make us complain on every fault they did!! Just enjoy it.. 


      I guess this was just a discussion thread--not something like raging about.

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    • In the book, Beatrice and Tobias are only two years apart with Beatrice 16, and Tobias 18. The movie aged the several years. Beatrice is 18 and Tobias is 24. So they're six years apart in this version.

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    • There is no problem in the book, because in the book Tobias is 18. An 18 year old dating a sixteen year old is completely okey. The movie should have just left him as 18, or at the very least had him as 22. A ten year age difference is just too much.

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    • I don't get why they would make him 24. What were they hoping to gain by that?!

      And are you SURE they made him 24, or is it that just the page said it?

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    • They changed his age because the actor looks too old to play an 18 year old. They bumped up Tris's age as well to balance that out. Also, they may have wanted to avoid her being 16/17 in the upcoming movies and in a sex scene. This way they are both legal adults but they can stil keep the age gap because of the role that pays in their relationship. Honestly, I think they just needed a way to make Theo James belivable. That man does not look 18. 

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    • who cares if hes noy\t 18 he sexy💘

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    • 71.187.59.171 wrote:
      They changed his age because the actor looks too old to play an 18 year old. They bumped up Tris's age as well to balance that out. Also, they may have wanted to avoid her being 16/17 in the upcoming movies and in a sex scene. This way they are both legal adults but they can stil keep the age gap because of the role that pays in their relationship. Honestly, I think they just needed a way to make Theo James belivable. That man does not look 18. 


      He looks 20. Why must you push to 24?

      16 and 20 is a bit much--but in this case its sorta doable (IRL I do not suggest a 16 yr old going out with a 20 yr old)

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    • Okay so here is what I have to say: Yes it may be quite wrong I think so too but so they would be 8 years apart right? Well my parents are 7 years apart and my grandma and grandpa are 8 years apart so you can create a functioning relation ship with those age differences.

      ~ Izzy

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    • 50.88.127.107 wrote:
      Okay so here is what I have to say: Yes it may be quite wrong I think so too but so they would be 8 years apart right? Well my parents are 7 years apart and my grandma and grandpa are 8 years apart so you can create a functioning relation ship with those age differences.

      ~ Izzy


      Yeah, but they are ADULTS. Full grown adults. Such age differences doesn't matter.

      In this case, she's 16, and JUST stepped away from childhood, and isn't even a full adult yet (being still an initiate). He'd be 24! Like--NO

      And in the BOOK there was a debate as to whether he was too old for her--and it was only a TWO year difference! And in the book, both still had that kind of layer of innocence, both being new to such romance in itself. If anyone recalls--(this was mentioned during their discussion towards the end of Divergent, when she was talking to him about seeing him in her fear landscape and he got a bit upset over it)

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    • I HAVE read the novels. Beatrice WAS considered an adult in the book because adulthood started at 16 in the novel. What I mostly remember in the novel was that Beatrice was very small and very slight...while Tobias was tall and large. I think that's how the book said they were opposites. But even in high schools today, 16 year olds date 18 year olds. They're often lumped in the same classes. It's NOT that big of a deal. In the movie, they aged the actors so that there wouldn't be any kind of backlash. So, the movie version of the characters are of legal age adults even for us. I don't know WHY they aged Tobias SO much. The actor could pass for twenty-two...or maybe even twenty. But I think aging Tobias so much in the movies is kind of a mistake. Beatrice and Tobias knew each other when they were both members of Abnegation. They probably even had classes together in school. By aging Tobias so far above Beatrice, he's really more of a stranger to her even after she discovers who he is. This also gives him more of a reason to treat her as a child. It was okay to age Tobias some...but I think they made him too old. The movie was still good though.

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote: DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

      Agreed.

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote: NO at least he's still HOT as Hell.

      yeshhhhhhhh omggggg yessssssssssssss he isssssss

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    • Okay, so yes, Tobias is a little too old for Tris. Yet in the BOOK he's 18. And she's 16. 2 year difference. Not that big of a deal. IF what everyone is saying is TRUE (about Tobias being 24, (which I know is true) and Tris's age being bumped up to 18.) that's like a 6 year difference right? Sure okay, now you might have a problem. But in that case you wouldn't have to worry about age because in the movie if Tris really was bumped up to 18 she would be considered an adult. There's what people haven't really brought up. 6 year difference isn't that bad. Considering in the movie they would both be adults if Tris's age was bumped up to 18.

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    • I thought she was 16 in the movie Derp

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    • 18 year olds date 16 year olds all the time. I know when I was in high school that seniors often dated freshmen...and it could be the guy as the senior....or the guy as the freshmen. When I was in middle school, in 7th grade a guy my age was dating a high school girl. Although his age fit him, his body matured VERY early...and he already had the body of a young man when he was around 13 or 14 and was very tall. He eventually got the high school girl pregnant....while the majority of 7th grade boys hadn't even made it quite to puberty yet.

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    • No she is 23 and he 24 I looked it up

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    • I dont belive shes that old

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    • TwilightReaderFan wrote:
      18 year olds date 16 year olds all the time. I know when I was in high school that seniors often dated freshmen...and it could be the guy as the senior....or the guy as the freshmen. When I was in middle school, in 7th grade a guy my age was dating a high school girl. Although his age fit him, his body matured VERY early...and he already had the body of a young man when he was around 13 or 14 and was very tall. He eventually got the high school girl pregnant....while the majority of 7th grade boys hadn't even made it quite to puberty yet.


      I'm 13 and this 16 yr old boy thinks I'm hot and my mom is like "[BEEP] NO!"

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    • Honestly - I don't really care. It's a movie. And in my mind, I'll just pretend Tris is really 18. I don't mind six years. If they had to age him, I would have preferred that they aged him to 22, not 24.

      My best friend started to date her then-18 year old boyfriend at 15. They're married with a two-year old kid today.

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    • 69.35.176.252 wrote:
      27.110.183.29 wrote:
      NO at least he's still HOT as Hell.
      I personally would have gone with "Hot as Hades" but your call

      yesssssss

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    • you guys are queers

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    • 162.78.70.119 wrote:
      you guys are queers


      Nu-uh :P

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    • I think that for the movie, Beatrice is 18. I don't understand the contributor who thinks the people here are queers. Did they somehow get here through some time machine from the 1950's???

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    • TwilightReaderFan wrote:
      I think that for the movie, Beatrice is 18. I don't understand the contributor who thinks the people here are queers. Did they somehow get here through some time machine from the 1950's???


      XD

      And if Beatrice is 18, eh, makes it sorta better I guess :T

      Altho they should've had Four as 22.

      ...

      I wonder if they made him twenty-FOUR /four/ a reason XD

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    • Their ages in the book are ok - 18 and 16 , but if in the movie they're 16 and 24 that's crossing the line :P

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    • i for one think that the movie portrayed the story line in a great way. im not trying to upset anyone but i think that you should stop focusing on the age difference and focus on the blossoming romance between the two.

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    • 68.147.245.52 wrote:
      i for one think that the movie portrayed the story line in a great way. im not trying to upset anyone but i think that you should stop focusing on the age difference and focus on the blossoming romance between the two.


      ...ew

      Hard NOT to if in the back of your mind:

      She's 16

      He's 8 yrs older than her


      If she's 18 it makes it a bit better but not much

      They seriously should've made him like 22 or 20 or somethin

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    • the director said himself that he never mentioned how old tris is...so in my mind she's 18. :) 

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    • She has to be 16 though because the choosing ceremony only happens when they turn 16!

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    • Age doesn't rlly matter because its not like she's 16 and he's like 30 if that was in real life I bet they wouldn't care about their age diffence, as long as they were in love

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    • 94.5.64.163 wrote:
      Age doesn't rlly matter because its not like she's 16 and he's like 30 if that was in real life I bet they wouldn't care about their age diffence, as long as they were in love


      Sure...THEY wouldn't care. Especially HIM.

      BUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S NOT SICK! *barfs*

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    • 96.255.188.14 wrote:
      the director said himself that he never mentioned how old tris is...so in my mind she's 18. :) 

      If he never mentions her age, I will see her as 22 (altho 22 is prolly way too old but ITS ONLY 2 YRS YOUNGER THAN FOUR)

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    • In the book Four is 18, and Tris is 16. So there is only a 2 year age difference.

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    • 216.221.65.115 wrote:

      Yeh hes just 18 and tris is 16 so what its not like hes 24 for realz Gosh people

      Rueprim1212 wrote:
      No, Tobias is only 18 and Tris is 16 not that big of a diff
      I think there talking about in the movie


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    • 68.144.204.165 wrote:
      guys hes 28 or something and shes like 22 not the bad

      As actors, yeah. But in the movie... She's 16. He's(In the book, 18) 24 or 23 or something like that... As actors it might work... But not as the characters. :)

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    • Wow,I actually never notice that till now.Wow is the only word I could say,I mean between 24 and 16? True nope and nope to the relationship.

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    • Tobias is like 24 and Tris is about 22 IN THE MOVIE. Not a big deal. :\

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    • Uh..

      I found out somewhere

      Tris is SIXTEEN in the movie

      ...

      Scream

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    • In the movie, it says Tobias is 24. Tris is 16 in the movie. However, in the book, Tris is 16 and Tobias is 18. So, it's not an innappropriate age gap unlike the movie. Tobais even says in the first book, DIvergent....

      Tris: "But you're older than I am...Tobias"

      Tobias: He smiles at me. "Yes that whopping two-year gap really is insurmountable, isn't it?"

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    • I stated that before.

      They were only TWO years apart in the books, however, even THAT was questionable, but sort of silly to question yet understandable.

      If THAT was skeptical...then 16 and 24?

      ._.

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    • I heard Tris is meant to be 18 in the film, and Tobias 24, so it isn't that bad.

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    • I didn't watch the movie because of that but today I just put that thought at the back of mind and watched the movie. I also decided that I am pretending that Tris is 18 and Tobias is 22.

      P.S I personally think that Tob-i-as should be pronounced To-bee-as

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    • It's To-bias (the word Bias with "to" in front :P)

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    • Doesn't matter what age both Tris and  Four are, so they make a hot looking couple. 

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    • They also make a sick, pedophillia couple

      ._.

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote: DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

      AMEN!

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    • Honestly I think that The director seriously was an Idiot for saying that Tobias was 24.... That an 8 YEAR DIFFERENCE

      But you have to admit... Tobias is pretty hot!

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    • GUYS!  if tris is 18 and Tobias is 24 in the movie its fine! And chicagos laws dont matter in the future as far as we know. And there is a way to bypass those laws even today - by being emancipated. Choosing your faction is like being emancipated. You are choosing to live by yourself, away from your parents most likely, and to take care of yourself, to be independent, to be an ADULT. So she IS an adult, whether 16 or 18. So SHADDUP and make an angry mob to storm the director if you want. Just move on cause you cant change it and thats that!

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    • And, tobias was only an instructor for two years. so it doesn't make sense. And you dont wait 6-8 YEARS to find out you dont belong. And if tris likes him tris likes him so whatever! And does he really seem like a ped???? Really? It doesnt matter what it  would be like if, of what if this, or that, its who he is in his soul. so please stop. stop. JUST STOP. YOUR FRICKIN RUINING DIVERGENT FOR ALL OF US.

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    • 94.5.64.163 wrote:
      She has to be 16 though because the choosing ceremony only happens when they turn 16!

      If The director can make Tobias 24, they can PROBABLY change what age they do the ceremony at...... just sayin

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    • 71.187.59.171 wrote: They changed his age because the actor looks too old to play an 18 year old. They bumped up Tris's age as well to balance that out. Also, they may have wanted to avoid her being 16/17 in the upcoming movies and in a sex scene. This way they are both legal adults but they can stil keep the age gap because of the role that pays in their relationship. Honestly, I think they just needed a way to make Theo James belivable. That man does not look 18. 

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    • Then choose an actor who does look 18 not someone who looks like 30

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    • Tobias is way to old. I know people have already said this but a 16 year old and a 24 year old is not love.Tobias is basically a pedophile who is raping Tris which is against the law in case anyone cares. Why doesn't a 20 year old date a 12 year old because it is just wrong and against the law. Tris is basically a child who doesn't know what she is doing. Honestly this movie is a horrible example. I saw fifth graders watching it and now they might think that it is ok to date someone 8 or 10 years older than them. It is just a huge problem. I get it that Theo James doesn't look 18, then choose some other actor who does look 18 not that hard

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    • Pushing the age from 18 to 24 may have went too far and it's clearly not sending a good message for teenagers, but I wouldn't call Tobias a rapist. Perhaps he's just madly in love with Tris because she's was insecure at that time just getting out of abnegation. Either way, the director shouldn't have changed the age that much.

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    • I believe the reason for the age change is the fact that Theo James is 29 and honestly would not be believable playing an 18 year old. I don't think it's a bad example for younger audiences as his age is not actually mentioned in the film. I agree the director shouldn't have changed the age so much, but it's not so bad. And all these people saying Tobias is a rapist are wrong, because THAT WAS A SIMULATION. I would like to point out that Shailene Woodley is 22 and Theo James is 29, which is a 7 year difference. Although it still is kind of weird.

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    • By rape I think he meant staturatory rape...which, in modern day, WOULD be the case for 16--if considered a minor--and 24. But still...uh...no

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    • um Excuse me?

      Have u not read the divergent book lets say the FIRST book

      Tris says to Tobias "aren't u a little old for me" and he is "a whopping 2 years"

      they choose their faction when their 16 so Tris is 16 n Tobias is 18...............

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    • If you think about it though, in the two good dystopian future books, The Hunger Games and Divergent the love connections between the two main lovers. Tobias and Tris and Katniss and Gale or Peeta. The age difference seems to be two years. Besides Four is naturally going to act like a 24 year old since he is an instructor but when he is near Tris he goes back to his 18 year old self since Tris is basically the only one he trusts. And many romances have a two year age gap starting usually in college or something. Plus how many times have you seen an 10th grader fall for a 12th grader or a 9th grader fall for an 11th grader?

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    • Or they could have made Four 19 or 20 and there wouldn't be much of a problem. Duh! A Four year or three year age gap is much better.

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    • Guys have you ever watched sailor moon Usagi(Serena) is 14 and Mamoru(Darrien) is 21 i think that's worse than 16 and 24

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    • 200.232.185.174 wrote: Guys have you ever watched sailor moon Usagi(Serena) is 14 and Mamoru(Darrien) is 21 i think that's worse than 16 and 24

      O_O that's BEYOND pedophilla.

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    • Altho that's seven years vs eight years, you are a grown man dating a little kid SO

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    • 18 is adult. This is right.

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    • Emerald the moron pup. Tris is a 23 years old in the movie. Go back to dating your little sister.

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    • 99.233.207.75 wrote:
      Emerald the moron pup. Tris is a 23 years old in the movie. Go back to dating your little sister.


      Emerald the moron pup XD wow, glad to know you spent the time thinking up a kindergarten-insult name for me :3 I'm surely loved. Anyway, how do you know that? You make that up all by yourself? :O Who's a big boy? I don't even have a little sister X'D. And I'm sorry, but per COPPA, you need to be at least 13 to be on here, not seven, so go back to running to your mother with nothing better to do. :3

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    • Ok so I can see why everyone is upset but it's called fiction for a reason.  Their society does not have the same rules ours does. (ie GoT) In the divergent series they choose factions and start their lives as adults at age 16.  She is considered to be an adult, in this fictional world, and no it's not that wierd for her to be dating someone older.  Why couldn't they just hire a younger actor for the movie and stick with the intended story line?.. who knows.  

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    • 68.225.25.166 wrote:
      Ok so I can see why everyone is upset but it's called fiction for a reason.  Their society does not have the same rules ours does. (ie GoT) In the divergent series they choose factions and start their lives as adults at age 16.  She is considered to be an adult, in this fictional world, and no it's not that wierd for her to be dating someone older.  Why couldn't they just hire a younger actor for the movie and stick with the intended story line?.. who knows.  


      Everyone knows that :P We're just fangirling/boying. Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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    • How about we let Tris love whoever she wants? It's not like we have any control over her. She's not even real. Lol. Who cares if she likes older guys? Why are people so bothered about what other people do in their bedroom? The same issues people have againts homosexuality. It's their bedroom, their life, their decisions. Stop being such annoying people, god. But like I said, they're not even real. She's 16, he's 24. It's actually not that big of a deal compare to what I've seen in real life. So calm yo asses and mind other stuff besides age gap sex. Lmao. Don't girls always dream about older men? Haha.

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote: Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      The relationship is ok, because once each person turns 16 they are adults by the law. They are tax paying and full fledge members of their society. In the movies it may be represented differently from the books. Just look at Christina, she was meant to be taller then Tris and a little annoyed at her at the same time.

      Because of the laws stating that she is an adult, that means she can date anyone she pleases. Because once turned 16 your childhood stops and you must conform into adulthood straight away, like choosing a faction on choosing day, and leaving your family. That is how it is in that world. That is how the relationship is ok.

      Tris and Tobias are not doing anything wrong, you must understand this, if the laws state they are adults at 16 then if they are not, then what are they?

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    • Guys, we all know that, we're just fangirling/fanboying about it. "OHMAIGAWSH HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN NONONO" XD

      And if you recall, in the BOOKS themselves, Tris and Tobias were TWO years apart. And they STILL had issues with THAT. Remember?

      And 16 is when you JUST hit adulthood in the books, so, if you recall from the books themselves, they were still pretty much kids for a good bit. I mean, you're saying you JUST hit "adulthood" and suddenly are with older guys? OF COURSE we're gonna freak over that? XD

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    • In the Divergent world, when you turn sixteen, you're considered an adult right? If so, that means she is legally an adult since it's their world, so the age gap shouldn't be that much a problem. The directors probably changed the age for Tobias because Theo James probably looked to old to play an eighteen year old. If it was in our present time, then it would be a little weird, but it's in their world so there is nothing wrong with it.

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    • 71.116.67.4 wrote: In the Divergent world, when you turn sixteen, you're considered an adult right? If so, that means she is legally an adult since it's their world, so the age gap shouldn't be that much a problem. The directors probably changed the age for Tobias because Theo James probably looked to old to play an eighteen year old. If it was in our present time, then it would be a little weird, but it's in their world so there is nothing wrong with it.

      I do agree with you, because of what I said above and here it is below

      The relationship is ok, because once each person turns 16 they are adults by the law. They are tax paying and full fledge members of their society. In the movies it may be represented differently from the books. Just look at Christina, she was meant to be taller then Tris and a little annoyed at her at the same time.

      Because of the laws stating that she is an adult, that means she can date anyone she pleases. Because once turned 16 your childhood stops and you must conform into adulthood straight away, like choosing a faction on choosing day, and leaving your family. That is how it is in that world. That is how the relationship is ok.

      Tris and Tobias are not doing anything wrong, you must understand this, if the laws state they are adults at 16 then if they are not, then what are they?

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    • If they were 16 and 24, according to this wiki, that would be a mistake, I have to agree. However, I dont recall them even mentioning their age in the movie. Probably for this specific reason, to prevent any type of age discussion. So I am not sure this should even be an issue. Also, there will be viewers who have not read the book.

      I do have another ago related issue though. It has to do with the casting. Dont get me wrong. I love Theo and Shai. But their age could become a credibility factor.

      Lets say Tris is 16 and Four is 18. Recording starded back in 2013 and is likely to finish somewhere in 2016/2017. Now, the recording company knows this. Still, they cast Shailene who was 21 at the time, and Theo at 28. So, towards the end, Shai at 25 is playing a 16 year old, and Theo at 32 is playing an 18 year old. That is REALLY stretching it. This applies to the rest of the cast also ofc. Are the movie makers expecting to get away with that, just ignore it completely, or are they changing the storyline maybe a bit to adapt to this? Not a clue.

      Probably another reason why the characters age is not mentioned in the movie. For comparison, look up a picture from Shailene when she was actually 16. This was even before she did Secret Llife of an American Teenager. And compare that with how she looks now, or may look in 3 years time. Apart from being stunning.....

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    • 94.208.151.171 wrote:
      If they were 16 and 24, according to this wiki, that would be a mistake, I have to agree. However, I dont recall them even mentioning their age in the movie. Probably for this specific reason, to prevent any type of age discussion. So I am not sure this should even be an issue. Also, there will be viewers who have not read the book.

      I do have another ago related issue though. It has to do with the casting. Dont get me wrong. I love Theo and Shai. But their age could become a credibility factor.

      Lets say Tris is 16 and Four is 18. Recording starded back in 2013 and is likely to finish somewhere in 2016/2017. Now, the recording company knows this. Still, they cast Shailene who was 21 at the time, and Theo at 28. So, towards the end, Shai at 25 is playing a 16 year old, and Theo at 32 is playing an 18 year old. That is REALLY stretching it. This applies to the rest of the cast also ofc. Are the movie makers expecting to get away with that, just ignore it completely, or are they changing the storyline maybe a bit to adapt to this? Not a clue.

      Probably another reason why the characters age is not mentioned in the movie. For comparison, look up a picture from Shailene when she was actually 16. This was even before she did Secret Llife of an American Teenager. And compare that with how she looks now, or may look in 3 years time. Apart from being stunning.....


      Good point.

      XD best point I've seen thus far

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    • But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

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    • BB, I think you are missing the point. It’s not whether it is legally permitted and therefore ok for a 16 year old woman to have a relationship with a 24 old man in this dystopian world. But rather how such a relationship is perceived by an audience in today’s society. Most people would condemn it I reckon. Although that might differ depending on your cultural background, but let’s not go there.

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    • Well, in the movie they don't actually state their age so...you'd have to do research to find out they were 16 and 24. And chances are if you did all that, if you were a kid you wouldn't be influenced. But if in the movie, though, they stated their age, subconciously yes that could bring some sort of influence, but then again--parents should discipline their kids about it.

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    • So yes, the difference between 16 and 24, particularly when the 24YO is in a position of power over the 16YO, is creepy. Not to mention kind of ridiculous; a 24YO Four getting all gooey over a 16YO would complete contradict his character.

      But nowhere in the movie are either Tris OR Four's ages discussed. The idea that Movie-Four is 24/25 came from Shailene Woodley in an interview, and it sounded like an estimate not set in stone. It's not like the movie shows them celebrating Four's 25th birthday. And she didn't say that Movie-Tris would be 16, and there is no mention IN THE MOVIE of the age at which the Choosing Ceremony takes place. So let's say Movie-Tris is 18 and Movie-Four is in his early 20s, and everyone can just calm the heck down.

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    • I totally agree, in the movie it is not an issue at all, so we should leave it at that.

      They could not stay true to the book, because Shai and especially Theo are a lot older. They do not come across as 16 and 18 at all. Which is kind of essential in the book. But it simply does not work with this cast. The entire story is going to be filmed over a period of 4 years. So the gap is going to be bigger still. They cant bump their age with 5 years either, cuz then the whole Choosing Ceremony and in fact the whole story makes no sense at all. So the actual casting caused this dilemma.

      At the end there is no mentioning of age in the movie and that totally works. Probably the best or the least-worst thing they could do. Book purists just have to live with it.

      On a side note, cant wait for the age discussions when White Bird in a Blizzard comes out where Shailene plays a 17 year old ;)

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    • Why wouldn't they just find another actor to play the role of Tobias? There are a lot of young actors out there.

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    • um NO only (from my opinion) Theo James is the best Tobias!

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    • Theo James is a good Tobias but in my opinion, getting a younger actor or even an actor the same age as Tobias would've been easier since you wouldn't look to old and the age thing could've stayed to the book.

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    • THEO JAMES IS FOUR AND WILL ONLY BE FOUR, SHAI IS TRIS AND WILL ONLY BE TRIS, SO THAT IS THAT.

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    • In my opinion, I think there are a lot of young people who can portray Tobias just as well as Theo. Theo James is good, but (and I say again, in my opinion) I don't see him as a great representation of Tobias.

      I just think the directors, productors, etc. didn't really work too hard making a movie based on such a wonderful book.

      Please don't be mean, because my opinion is my opinion, and your opinion is yours. (And everyone has imagined Tris and Tobias their own way if they had read the book).

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    • btw I'm also the one that posted before (A Wikia contributor 95.16.207.132) if you were wondering.

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    • How about looking at it from WITHIN the story...

      At the age of 16 you have your "choosing" and (as quoted in the movie) are no longer a dependant but a full fledged member of society. To me, that implies the age of consent/adulthood is 16 in the dystopian Chicago...

      Therefore there is nothing wrong/illegal about a 16 year old (Post Choosing Ceremony) and a 24 year old having a relationship within the realm of the Divergent world. They are both adults.

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    • 173.52.230.5 wrote:
      How about looking at it from WITHIN the story...

      At the age of 16 you have your "choosing" and (as quoted in the movie) are no longer a dependant but a full fledged member of society. To me, that implies the age of consent/adulthood is 16 in the dystopian Chicago...

      Therefore there is nothing wrong/illegal about a 16 year old (Post Choosing Ceremony) and a 24 year old having a relationship within the realm of the Divergent world. They are both adults.


      But what does that say for Four's character? He immediately catches eye for a young woman who JUST left childhood.

      As someone said before, it's interesting. If a 40 yr old looks at a 17 yr old, they're a pedo, however, on the 17's birthday, SUDDENLY they're not. Strange much?

      Plus, Tris stated herself that she had the "body of a child."

      18 and 16 at least from the book, wasn't too big of a difference, he was recently a kid himself (2-3 yrs ago), so yea that'd be fine.

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    • http://www.hypable.com/2013/08/05/divergent-movie-how-old-is-four/

      Please click on link or read below. This should help. It may not be like you want but it does explain the movie-like it or not.

      Woodley says that the decision was made because of actor Theo James’ older age. In Veronica Roth’s Divergent, Four is 18 years old when he meets 16-year-old Tris.

      “Theo James who plays the love interest in my film is 28, in the book his character is 18, but in the movie we’re making him about 24/25. He’s kind of ageless in a way. And even though in the book Tris is about 16, we never allude to the fact that she’s that young.”

      It’s not clear whether or not Four’s age will ever be specifically referenced, or if filmmakers were just using the older age behind the scenes to plan the story. Woodley makes it clear that the age gap between the two characters will not be shared in the storyline.

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    • Look at it this way. Brad Pitt is 50 years old. Angelina Jolie is 39. That's an 11 year difference. But you think nothing of it because they are 50 and 39. But if they were say 27 and 16 all of a sudden it becomes a big deal. Why? Because one of them is "too young"? Even if it was 29 and 18 you probably would complain, yet accordind to OUR laws (not the world of Divergent) they are still legal. So what's is the problem?

      Tris is an ADULT at 16. She can date whoever she wants. And Four KNOWS whoever jumps down that hole that they are an ADULT (in the eye's of the law). So what is the problem?? He's not interesting in young/underage girls, he just happens to fall in love with somebody who just turned "legal"...

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    • true

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    • in the book it is a two year age gap. im totally okay with that gap. but tobias being 24 and tris being either 16 OR 18 is to big of a gap for me. in the book you are made an adult at sixteen, when you chose your faction. i believe that if they absolutly HAD to change his age to should have been to 20 at the must. making 24 and leaving her 16 or even making her 18 makes the relationship just sick and creepy. 

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    • Problem is that it is just hard to make an actor appear 9 years younger than they really are. Yes it's certainly possible. And it's easier for women to look younger, but a 29 year old man passing for 20? It's just not believeable... Veronica Roth has been quoted as saying Theo James was "Four" the second she saw his rehearsal. So if she is ok with it, how come you aren't?

      They had to make the age difference slightly higher to accomodate the age of the actor. It's not the end of the world and even Veronica Roth was ok with it. Just get over it!

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote: But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

      But mine explanation sounds and looks great,

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    • looks very good

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote: But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

      But mine explanation sounds and looks great,


      Naw sonny, it ain't nearly as good as the Wiki Contributor's :P

      (jk)

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    • Honestly, I really hate it when people cling to societal views like this. I agree, it does seem a bit out of character for Tris and Four to feel romance between each other if they were that far apart in age, but that's a whole other story than age of consent, has to do with personal taste, and disagreeing with the age difference because it's "gross" is almost as bad as people not wanting homosexual marriage, because it's "gross". There is some question as to whether tris would be mature enough or not for that kind of relationship, but age of consent varies quite a lot, depending on where and when you live. Like, in some New England states, the age of consent is 16, I think that's an appropriate age. Personally, I feel very comfortable with making those kinds of decisions, and I am 16.

      Do not write off someone's romantic feelings as "pedophilic" just because the object of their affection is not over the age of 18. I may be wrong about this, and what I am about to say is very debatable, but I feel the act of pedophilia itself has more to do with feeling sexual attraction towards someone because of their lack of age and maturity, and acting upon those sexual urges, while the law refers to any sexual or romantic interaction below the age of consent. I'm going to go out on a rather shaky limb here and say that many of the people commenting on the age difference and saying "eww" don't actually have a reason for feeling this. Please think about these kinds of things more in-depth before deciding your own opinion.

      I know some people disagree with me, so if people respond, I would love to see some good, thought-out counter arguments.

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    • 1. Crap now pedophillia's gonna become the next big thing >_>

      2. We're fangirling and comparing views/mindsets. There may have been no other choice than to make him 24, but just think 'bout it, viewingwise.

      In the books, it was 16 vs 18, which even THEN held controversy, remember? Tris herself stated she was scared about it, him being older, and others kind of looked suspicious on it. But hey, he's an 18 year old guy, it's generally fine and natural for her to feel that way.

      Now, no one's mentioning TRIS'S age per the film, so we're just gonna take a gander and assume she's still sixteen.

      She's an initiate, training, JUST escaped childhood. She mentioned having the body of a child anyway.

      Now this man comes up to her, say...eight years older than her. Instantly, he feels attracted to her.

      Although looking away from it, it seems perfectly fine, but what would that say about Four's character?

      So, a day before the aptitude test, he's a pedophile, but NOPE as soon as she chooses her faction, he's no longer one? That makes absolutely no sense. Just--THINK about it.

      If I had a sister who just turned eighteen, and already she was being checked out by a 26--almost 30--year old, I'd be concerned about that, and probably my dad'd step in, or at least attempt to.


      And I'm 13 :P

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    • 204.122.111.254 wrote: i think that it doesnt really matter because it's not like they will say how old he is in the movie, right? RIGHT?????

      Yes like srsly just forget about the age, picture him what age you want him to be and watch the frikken movie. 18 or 24 who cares. Cuz when shes 20 lets say, he would be 28 and thats not bad at all imo.
      
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    • ok so dude looks older than me, and I am 30, so the whole movie I was waiting for Chris Hansen to walk out.  Made it imposable to get into the movie, was glad to find out the book was less creepy.

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    • 24.255.157.56 wrote:
      ok so dude looks older than me, and I am 30, so the whole movie I was waiting for Chris Hansen to walk out.  Made it imposable to get into the movie, was glad to find out the book was less creepy.

      He's 29, and looks EXTREMELY young and good looking, especially for someone who's almost 30. So, either you got plastic surgery or you're lying and you probably look like an old creep. And it's only a 8 year difference. I know people who have an 11 year difference and are happily married. Plus, you can imagine him any way you want him to look. It helps that Theo doesn't look that old. ;) He looked early 20s to me. And they never actually said his age in the movie, only on Wikia. So, yeah. Not that big of a problem and not that creepy. 

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    • 72.181.196.240 wrote:
      24.255.157.56 wrote:
      ok so dude looks older than me, and I am 30, so the whole movie I was waiting for Chris Hansen to walk out.  Made it imposable to get into the movie, was glad to find out the book was less creepy.
      He's 29, and looks EXTREMELY young and good looking, especially for someone who's almost 30. So, either you got plastic surgery or you're lying and you probably look like an old creep. And it's only a 8 year difference. I know people who have an 11 year difference and are happily married. Plus, you can imagine him any way you want him to look. It helps that Theo doesn't look that old. ;) He looked early 20s to me. And they never actually said his age in the movie, only on Wikia. So, yeah. Not that big of a problem and not that creepy. 

      Per and touche.

      If you never logged onto this site/read backup info, you wouldn't even know/care about their ages. :T

      Now I can see once getting info you might be icked but hey, it doesn't interfere with the original viewing :/

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    • the violation lies more in the instructor/student relationship. the reason a child/adult relationship is considered wrong is the undue influence the adult has over the child as an elder authority figure. the same reason its wrong for a college professor to date a student even though both are consenting age. We apply an arbitrary age but the reality is even those over the age of majority are immature and are easily influenced by those of maturity and it is this which makes relationships where one has such influence taboo. The fact he is older is minor when compared to the influence of authority over success or failure, acceptance or rejection.

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    • 67.190.239.11 wrote:
      the violation lies more in the instructor/student relationship. the reason a child/adult relationship is considered wrong is the undue influence the adult has over the child as an elder authority figure. the same reason its wrong for a college professor to date a student even though both are consenting age. We apply an arbitrary age but the reality is even those over the age of majority are immature and are easily influenced by those of maturity and it is this which makes relationships where one has such influence taboo. The fact he is older is minor when compared to the influence of authority over success or failure, acceptance or rejection.


      I understood none of that but I'm going to agree with you, sir!

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    • 27.110.183.29 wrote:
      DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.

      YOU ARE SO RIGHT HE IS HOT HOT HOT I MILLION TIMES HOT !!!!!!!

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    • Just thought you should all know it's just a film... they are fictionl characters, 8 years between couples is becoming more and more common, They are both of sane mind and consenting people so i personally don't see why you all are getting so obsessed with 2 fictional characters in a film when they have only actually kissed ONCE and nothing else has happened between them....

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    • i honestly could'nt care less :') I still love them both together.

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    • THIS IS DYSTIOPIAN CHICAGO NO ONE CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • As long as Fourtris stays true to the book, it doesn't matter. They had there fights and make ups. We still love them and they love each other. ;)

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    • Willia98 wrote:
      um Excuse me?

      Have u not read the divergent book lets say the FIRST book

      Tris says to Tobias "aren't u a little old for me" and he is "a whopping 2 years"

      they choose their faction when their 16 so Tris is 16 n Tobias is 18...............

      We're talking about the movie. 

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    • ok well if anyone has not knowtist we r awesome

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    • So, what if Tobias is 24 and Tris is 16? Age doesn't matter. If you love someone who is 28 and your 20 would you care because seriously if I love him that much I wouldn't care at all.

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote: But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

      But mine explanation sounds and looks great,

      But just look at my example

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    • Yeah that's gross but you got a admit Theo played an awesome part as Tobias and like all movies they have their flaws so you can't really blame them....

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    • OH MY EFIN GOD THEY DO NOT SAY HE IS 24 IN THE MOVIE A LOT OF MOVIES HAVE OLDER MEN AND WOMEN PLAY YOUNGER PARTS GOSH

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote:

      But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

      But mine explanation sounds and looks great,

      But just look at my example

      But unlike the hot sexy Theo James , I think that we should look at Miles Teller who plays horrid Peter looks older then what the character is. So who knows what might be happening in the future.

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    • Theres 14 years between my stepmom and father. My stepmother us 32 now, and has a child. It's not that bad.

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    • Shailene- 23 years

      Tris-16 years

      Theo- 30 years 

      Tobias-Movie- 24 years

      Tobias-Books-18 years:)

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote:

      Big Brother 99 wrote:

      But they could cgi most of their face to dull the ageing process because there is a quick time jump between (Divergent-Divergent (film)) and (Insurgent-Insurgent (film)) but when it comes to Allegiants part one and two, then that is when they have do cgi a little more. Because of their ages.

      But in the book it says that Tris is 16 and Tobias 18 and they cast a Shai-22 year old and a Theo a 28 year old, they must of done this on a purpose. Like when they castes both Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson for Twilight. They must of saw the onscreen chemistry they had with the audition. They had to get along with each other, they ended up getting along and becoming good friends.

      Other then that, the age differ should not be an issue, in the book it says when you reach 16 you are a full fledge member of society and that makes them full grown adults. Because I can remember a line that Marcus says while talking to the factions, "You will no longer be dependants, you will be full fledge members of our society" on the choosing ceremony. That line just makes more official stating that they are members of our society and what not.

      Well accordingly to dauntless, when you find your love, it is permanent, like abnegation. They do not allow divorce, but I think that if they got married in the franchise. They would be ok, because of the age gap should not be a issue. But you can't always help who you full in love with. If they were destined to be with each other, then don't stop them. Let nature take its course. That will be a nice way to say it.

      So yeah, that is how I feel about this topic, all I understand about it should be in written in this mini essay written about this topic, and it will give you more insight into the way this topic should be ok and what not. So enjoy.

      But mine explanation sounds and looks great,

      But just look at my example

      But unlike the hot sexy Theo James , I think that we should look at Miles Teller who plays horrid Peter looks older then what the character is. So who knows what might be happening in the future.

      Plus I think the age thing is nothing, if there is respect and love between them then there should not be a problem,

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    • Seeing how the target group IS modern adolescents, overall it'd be a bad idea, as it's setting a bad example for the easily impressionable teens nowadays (and don't even try to argue, our kids now ARE indeed impressionable). It's kind of saying it's perfectly fine for a man eight years older than you to be looking at your body a certain way.

      All that set aside, however, Tobias's (nor Tris's, I don't think) age is not mentioned once in the movie, therefore it's about impossible for the viewer to know unless they do some extra research. If that's a side piece of trivia the movie creators want to add, it is sick, but it's honestly not doing much harm, since it was not obviously publicized. I hope this make sense.

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    • How old is Tris Prior in the movies?She is 16 or 18?

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote:
      Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      Actually Four was su 18 in the books but they changed him to 24 in the movies so its not that much of a big deal  

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    • 86.228.142.218 wrote:
      How old is Tris Prior in the movies?She is 16 or 18?

      16

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    • He is portraying to be 24 in the movies because when they do the book adaptarion of "Four" he will be 18 in the movie.

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    • Call me narrow minded, but something about a 24 year old teacher dating his 16 year old student feels a bit wrong.

      Even ignoring the fact that Tris is a minor (one year too young to give consent, according to her home state's current laws), there's still the fact that the relationship is inherently unequal: a Teacher has a very large amount of control over his students as a result of the authority of the position, the amount of trust his students place in him, and other factors.

      The books did it right: in the books, Tobias was only 18 (making the age gap much smaller) and he didn't really act on his feelings for Tris until after she assed initiation (and therefore was no longer his student).

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    • The age of Tris was NEVER realeased, nor Four's age. Neither of there ages will be released as the director said, don't believe me? http://www.hypable.com/divergent-movie-how-old-is-four/

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    • Big Brother 99 wrote:

      206.176.81.242 wrote: Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      The relationship is ok, because once each person turns 16 they are adults by the law. They are tax paying and full fledge members of their society. In the movies it may be represented differently from the books. Just look at Christina, she was meant to be taller then Tris and a little annoyed at her at the same time.

      Because of the laws stating that she is an adult, that means she can date anyone she pleases. Because once turned 16 your childhood stops and you must conform into adulthood straight away, like choosing a faction on choosing day, and leaving your family. That is how it is in that world. That is how the relationship is ok.

      Tris and Tobias are not doing anything wrong, you must understand this, if the laws state they are adults at 16 then if they are not, then what are they?

      This should provide closure.

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    • 2.82.9.243 wrote: I can't see how Four is only 18. He's an instructor. You don't make a grunt fresh out of training an instructor, he has to have experience and 2 short years are nothing. He talks all the time about how things "used to be" and sounds like he lived the change himself. Seeing as he's not Dauntless born, then he must have seen some change since he has arrived. It makes no sense for him to be only 18 and certainly no sense that he's dated an initiate he instructed. 

      Yes but he was top in his class and has the record of only four fears

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    • I find it weird that they would change the age in the movie, I read that it was because the actor is 28 but it has become increasingly common to have a large age difference between actor and character and I don't think it was necessary.

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    • Just don't watch the movies if you're *that* bothered! They messed them up anyway (but, I have to say, casting was an okay aspect).

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    • The age gap doesn't make any sense, if they are less than 16 years apart than she would've known him from abnegation because he's Marcus son but she didn't even know Marcus had a son nor that he transferred from abnegation

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    • 2.82.9.243 wrote:
      I can't see how Four is only 18. He's an instructor. You don't make a grunt fresh out of training an instructor, he has to have experience and 2 short years are nothing. He talks all the time about how things "used to be" and sounds like he lived the change himself. Seeing as he's not Dauntless born, then he must have seen some change since he has arrived. It makes no sense for him to be only 18 and certainly no sense that he's dated an initiate he instructed. 

      I quote from the book "here in Dauntless, age doesn't matter."

      There was unlimited possibility for dauntless membership before

      and finally Tris and Four were soulmates.

      So there.

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    • 79.178.17.3 wrote:
      The age gap doesn't make any sense, if they are less than 16 years apart than she would've known him from abnegation because he's Marcus son but she didn't even know Marcus had a son nor that he transferred from abnegation.

      Marcus kept him hidden, and yes she did know.

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    • 2.82.9.243 wrote: I can't see how Four is only 18. He's an instructor. You don't make a grunt fresh out of training an instructor, he has to have experience and 2 short years are nothing. He talks all the time about how things "used to be" and sounds like he lived the change himself. Seeing as he's not Dauntless born, then he must have seen some change since he has arrived. It makes no sense for him to be only 18 and certainly no sense that he's dated an initiate he instructed. 

      I am reading Four, and Eric made a lot of changes

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    • Guys, the actors when they were filming Divergent were Theo James, (Four/ Tobias) 29 and Shailene Woodley (Tris) 22. Thats only a 7 year difference its not even gross for many reasons. One they are ACTORS! and two when you are that old age doesnt really matter now if there was a couple wiht the ages of 25 and 45 thats kinda weird but its not your place to judge them. They are just ACTORS and they PLAYED their parts very well.  And in the book there is a 2 year difference thats NORMAL. It's not 'ewwww' they were just doing their job and you know what? Theo and Shailene did a fantastic job on their roles throughout the movie series. And before you open your mouth try doing some reasurch first. 

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    • In Bollywood, there are always actors of 50 with actresses of 20.

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    • seriously 2 years is nothing but when the the producers change it to 8 thats crazy but he is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo  hot so i get why they still dated
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    • Jesus christ, I'm literally disgusted by the arguments you all are making. So let's see how strong these arguments are.

      1) "This age change makes Tobias a pedophile." Uh, wrong. Tris' age was also changed to 18, which is the age of consent. Besides, if he has no history of preying on children, doesn't prey on children and was never even sexually attracted to Tris until AFTER they were in a relationship, does that honestly make him a pedophile? And even in the books, 16 seems to be the legal adult age since the children who turn 16 have to make a big decision only a matured adult would make.

      2) "Tobias is raping Tris!" Wrong again. In the books, 16 seems to be the age of consent and the age you're legally an adult. And Tris obviously loved Tobias at the time so it's not really rape. In the movie, it's understandable why you'd think it was rape but if Tris' age was changed to 18, it's not rape. Tris wanted Tobias and vice versa.

      3) I guaruntee you all would not make a big deal out of this if Tobias' age was changed to 19 or 20. By a lot of the logic, that, too, would be considered "pedophilia" and "statutory rape", yet most of you would not care as much.It's only because of the number. My mother and father met eachother when my father was 28 and my mother was 18. They were in absolute love, and about 39 years later, here we are. That was pure love and affection.

      4) This is a fictional, DYSTOPIAN SOCIETY we are talking about, with fictional characters that are born in the run down future. We don't know the rules, or the social standards. This is a society developed in the mind of Veronica Roth and only she knows all of the rules.

      5) "It's not love." Please. Veronica Roth worked hard to make the lovely relationship between the two blossom. If you really think that a relationship between an 18 and 16 year old (which happens in most high schools today anyways) you might as well throw the entire novel out of the window. And it describes fully the passion between the two, it's not wishful thinking or childish desire. Even with the age gap in the movie, it's still love. You don't know what goes on inside others' heads, so you're not able to judge if they're in love or not. You're not them, you're yourself, so please focus on being yourself than being judgemental.

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    • Yes. The legal age of adulthood in the books is 16.

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    • From what I gather, the director and screenwriters changed Four's age to 24 because they felt it fit his character's mental maturity better. That being said, I think it did change the dynamic of their relationship and they should have left well enough alone.

      That and their complete butchering of the plot in Insurgent and Allegiant.

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    • Daeseunglim wrote:
      From what I gather, the director and screenwriters changed Four's age to 24 because they felt it fit his character's mental maturity better. That being said, I think it did change the dynamic of their relationship and they should have left well enough alone.

      That and their complete butchering of the plot in Insurgent and Allegiant.

      The movie got ruined because of a bunch of small reasons and I  think this is totally one of them. You can't just go around changing peoples ages and saying it's ok. Like all I can say is "k..."

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    • In the books tobias is 18 so that Tris and Tobias have a close age so they have a closer relationship, that way the can fell it better. But in the movies he's 24, in the movies you don't feel the relationship that close. Tris is 16 in the movies and the books so that dosen't change much at all.

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    • 67.6.93.17 wrote:
      27.110.183.29 wrote:
      DON'T MIND THE AGE JUST FOCUS ON HOW HOT FOUR IS.
      That is my problem with this. I got too distracted by this relationship beacuse I have seen a similar one in real life that is not ending up well for anyone. This is targeted (it seems) at young adults and it is a poor message to say that this is the relationship that they need to strive toward. I am more bothered by the instructor/student dynamic than the age difference personally, but he is definately an authority figure in life of this child and I couldn't get into the movie because of that.

      I completely agree

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    • My biggest problem with Tobias being so much older was it changed a huge subplot in the series. Tobias never felt like he belonged in Dauntless and was contemplating becoming factionless. Two years to morph through these changes is realistic. 8 years...less so. Another point of their ages in the book was that they both were inexperienced and flittted around with their relationship. In the movie they downplayed that substantially and it was irritating.

      Don't even get me started on Insurgent and Allegiant...

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    • it sucks that they aren't gonna make the last movie.. even tho insurgent and allegiant were rly different from the books i rly just wanted to see four and tris together on the screen again :'(((((

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    • 2.82.9.243 wrote:
      I can't see how Four is only 18. He's an instructor. You don't make a grunt fresh out of training an instructor, he has to have experience and 2 short years are nothing. He talks all the time about how things "used to be" and sounds like he lived the change himself. Seeing as he's not Dauntless born, then he must have seen some change since he has arrived. It makes no sense for him to be only 18 and certainly no sense that he's dated an initiate he instructed. Trueeeeeeeee boiiiii
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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote:
      Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      Well I think in the movie Tris was said to be 18 instead of 16.

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote:
      How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      Honestly, it's not that gross.  Especially with the guy being older.  Society just tells us it is.  16 is legal in some states and the UK.  And he's not a pedophile.  Look up the actual definition.  I know when I was 18 all the guys I was falling for were 27.  So there you go.

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    • I know all of you are practically barfing because of the age difference (well possibly all of you), Shailenne says that no one will actually state how old Tobias/Four and Tris/Beatrice would be in the movie. But since Theo was like 28 when they made the first movie Divergent, he should seriously be about 20 or 21. Tris should probably be 18 since that is usually the age where people would thing that person is an adult. Just to clarify this: No one actually said that Four (in the movie) would be 24 or 26 or whatever age. They only said he would be older than Tris. Tris in the movie is 18. So Tobias would be 19+. No one knows for sure. All in all I think what really matters is that Tobias loves Tris and Tris loves Tobias. They have an insperable love (SPOILER FOR BOOK) even if Tris died in the book. 

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    • 206.176.81.242 wrote: Okay, if you have read the novels you would know that the relationship that develops between Tris and Tobias is so important, in the development of both characters. And not only in Divergent but Insurgent and Allegiant as well. It's a major factor in their thoughts and decisions. It also determines some of the other characters' actions. So, if this wiki is right and Tobias is being portrayed as 24 in the movie instead of 18 as in the book, it throws everything off. Age was already (I'll admit only initially) a huge thing for them. How can you have a romance between a 24 and a 16 year old. That's just gross. And something neither Tris nor Tobias would ever do. So...what? They just are going to ignore huge parts of both characters personality? Not to mention the fact that Tobias is basically crossing that line where he is a pedifile. 

      You got confused.. in the books tris is 16 and four is 18 ( not so far, are you agree?) in the movies, tris is 18 and four is 24. Yea I know it is far but in only 6 years. It’s not as much as 8 years.remmber what came first, the books and then the movies.

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