...until they misuse that one too? I have a feeling whatever is established leads to those in charge fearing it would stop eventually, so they start imposing all those strict rules. Like in 1984 book where they say the goal is to just keep the system the way it is, that's why they make all the exaggerated efforts. I guess we can't have perfection, or at least not a collective one, because...it will be like that when you're human. Even if it can be achieved, it apparently takes a lot of time, the governmet in Divergent tried to do it faster artificially and that didn't work. Maybe the point is that flaws are really exaggerated virtues; maybe if we want to get rid of a flaw we need to tone it down until it becomes a virtue (which is done by mixing it with other virtues). Maybe the factions also failed because their ideologies were centered around how to stop what they hate rather than how to increase what they love.

About democracy, the problem is also, as I heard once, that 'two people who are wrong have more rights than one person who is right'. Not to mention there isn't a 100% true method to only exclude those who shouldn't be allowed to vote, no matter what limitations you set there will always be those who are allowed but still wrong and vice versa. There's just not such an universal way to figure who really knows what they're doing...this is why I hate society and love people.

Sorry, I've been busy...

Well maybe perfect system exists and maybe not, but it's definetely out of our reach for now.

Another interesting thing I always wondered about Divergent was, what happened to Europe and other continents? America became an experiment but no one mentioned if other parts of the world also had a war, experiments. Could GDs exist only in America? But in that case it'd be the best to just mix GPs from somewhere else with GDs in experimental cities.

It's ok, no hurry.

Yes, good question. From what the Burreau says we can't really pick up a lot, as they're not exactly known for honesty. I suppose either they didn't include Europe because it's ruined too, as you said; or there's another reason why they didn't, maybe other governments won't let them use their GP people to fix what they messed up. God, maybe they're hiding the whole thing from the others too. Either way it leaves lots of room for theories. I wonder if anyone's asked Roth that question.

I'm an Erudite as well, though I'm also divergent between that, Dauntless, and Candor :D I was born into Candor and transferred to Erudite.

I'm glad to see more people in this thread, as there's only been the three of us so far. Caleb hasn't posted in months, Jeanine is active but hasn't been on this topic for a while (in case you haven't read everything, those are their actual real life names!). I'm actually not Erudite, I transferred from Dauntless to Amity, but I'm not Dauntless either (I'm Amity, Candor, Abnegation). I just randomly answered the first post and engaged in interesting discussions.

Hello! I'm Jeanine and yes, I haven't been here a lot recently. But it's great to see more people even though Diveregent fandom isn't really active at the moment:)

I've noticed it too, but it does seem to me it's kind of more active than it was when I got here, although it's only been about nine months.

I have a really weird tendency to comment on threads and then realize they're like from 2014 or something lol

I usually check the date and 2019 seemed quite promising. True, most diveregnt threads are from 2014-18 but more people are coming these days.

Born Erudite, chosen Erudite. Basically Jeanine that isn't evil;)

Eh, I will sometimes reply to threads I see are years old just because I feel like typing out my opinion. That's my Candor part everyone :3